However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. We look at what the Bible says about modern day issues and life problems. Here has been a few problems that caused divisions in the body of Christ thanks to some Independent Fundamental Baptists: 1.) We were in that same space somewhere between fundamentalism and CT-style evangelicalism that Jerry Falwell Sr. found himself in. You loved, and loved, and loved some more. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. The American Ideas Institute is a nonprofit, non-partisan 501(c)(3) organization based in Washington, D.C. 2022 The American Conservative, a publication of The American Ideas Institute. As I once told a liberal congregation, the IFB church I grew up in had an eleventh commandment in their Bibles, Thou shalt not [fill in the blank]. Sarcasm, yes, however, I swear they half the time they invented it as they went along. I pastored Evangelical churches IFB, Southern Baptist, Christian Union, Sovereign Grace, and non-denominational for 25 years. He might not be guilty of the allegation, but notice how the church network is still allowing a man publicly accused of sexual abuse to minister. My question is: Are you judging all IFB pastors and deacons by the standards you kept for yourself in the pulpit for forty-five years? However there has been quite a problem with some fundamental Baptists. The one thing I do want to say for anyone just making their way out of the darkness of IFB is this: that you once so thoroughly bought into IFB is a sign of your strength, not your weakness. (1)"I put him on the "auto trash" list because he never offers anything that is edifying, or even Biblical, but just his snide remarks and liberal/protestant opinions!" (2) "You are not my brother. The name Independent Fundamental Baptist Church is used traditionally by churches which pattern themselves strictly after the example of the early church, as found in the New Testament. Henry, John Harold Ockenga and others sought to separate themselves from the label fundamentalist and seek out a more irenic, culturally-engaged version of conservative Protestantism, some descendants of the original fundamentalist movement of the 1920s were not very happy about it. The message is set. All articles free to share and God bless! You loved them in that (and a million other) ways. Though not all in the movement look the same, the Duggars showcase several theological and cultural distinctives common among independent fundamental Baptists: adhering to strict biblical inerrancy, usually based exclusively on the King James Version (KJV); homeschooling; abstaining from pop culture as entertainment; and dressing modestly. Hed twice been a victim of attempted sexual misconduct in the church world. And like everyone else in the world you want that love to mean something, to be incorporated into and desired by something worthy of it. I am certain you are far more intelligent a man than I am, so I do not wish to debate you. Finally, now, it's time for you to dance to your own song. The fundamentals first, then warp the bible to fit the fundamentals, and all gods people said.amen. Oh, did I mention we were homeschooled and socially retarded. The Pew Forum on Religious and Public Life puts IFB members at 2.5 percent of Americans. A new website has launched with the aim of helping single New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist (NIFB) find each other for hopes of love and matrimony, with a niche focus and stringent guidelines being a feature, not a bug. It really is that simple. An Independent Fundamentalist Baptist Hate List Bruce Gerencser November 13, 2020 Evangelicalism 58 Comments The Bible says in 1 John 2:15,16 Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. you're wrong!" Oh, as a new convert attending an Adventist college, I actually said, heck or darn around one of the older teachers (40 years ago). July 20, 2020 News Division. Blockbuster report about systemic sex crimes in ultra-conservative Protestant churches. They didn't sink deep enough. And screw 'em if they do. Bruce, you and many of those that comment to your posts are a help to me. KJV was the only Bible in English, and that is the stand I intend to die on. Baptism: While some Christian faiths perform Baptism on infants, for Baptists this ritual is only performed after a person professes Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior. In Christ alone. One of my other professors did allow that saying shoot was okay, as she was used to people from Ohio saying it! Part of HuffPost Religion. Reached by phone, Giovanelli said he had no comment and hung up. To know is to be responsible. He witnessed the same authoritarian approach. On the bare legs or bottom, switch him eight or ten licks; then, while waiting for the pain to subside, speak calm words of rebuke. Black people bear the indelible and wretched curse of the "mark of Cain.". Some of them are becoming social halls instead of true worship centers. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. . Trieber took his glasses off. All first-time comments are moderated. While practices can vary from church to church, independent fundamental Baptists do share some core beliefs, according to Christianity Today: that the Bible is the divinely inspired and inerrant word of God, for example, and that people should use only the King James Version of the text.Independent fundamental Baptists refrain from engaging in pop culture and many also home-school their kids. What's Wrong with the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Rod Dreher is a senior editor atThe American Conservative. He was a great man! This past summer, amid new stories of Catholic sex abuse, the Evangelical magazine Worldcautioned its readers not to make the mistake of thinking that it cannot and does not happen in Protestant churches. Homosexuals are evil perverts who despise God and should be kept away from society generally and children especially. Yet independent Baptists, by design, are less familiar to outsiders than other Christian traditions. Thou shalt believe in pre-millennial rapture unless your pastor believes in post-millennial rapture. Preacherboys should watch it in the college gym; anywhere else is worldly. If fundies really understood this, it would probably scare the shit out of them. concerned about creeping liberalism in that association, it opted to go it alone. Learn More. I've heard of Dan Souza, but that's about all. I thank God for that newspaper and what it has done for His children. It could be the case that Bishop Andonios is lying here. Thou shalt take your wife out to lunch on Friday afternoon; this is your allotted time with her. I went with you to Fundamentalist and Fresh Oil conferences, Pastors' School, Missions, and Youth Conferences. Both times, people knew about his would-be abusers behavior and did nothing to stop it. Another rule our Church had not on your list; women shall not cut their hair. Thou shalt hide this alcohol so the pastor doesnt see it when he visits you because you missed Sunday school due to a hangover. If she doesnt approve of this, tough; she shouldve thought of that before she married you. Let us always bear in mind that the IFB no more represents Christianity than the Taliban represents Islam. This list also sounds similar to what Adventists practiced. There's something going on that wasn't here before. Select your instrument according to the child's size. The Independent Baptist Fellowship is the end-product of the legacy journey that started some 60 years ago. Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/gods-grace-bible-study-wi/support Truth Unbound with Walter Swaim 11h ago Addendum: Thousand shalt not even THINK about piercing ANYTHING below the waste! The New Testament is the authority in all matters of faith and practice. In your cynical statement about the seemingly unseen book of rules, you failed to mention that they ultimately came from a God who loves you, and has your best interest at heart. She actually got upset! IndependentBaptist.com was founded in an attempt to bring back the principles that lifted our movement in the 60's and 70's and that need to be revived in this day. #1. From the time I can remember (3-4 years old) I knew in the back of my mind it was all bullshit filled with lies and hypocrisy. He did not respond to specific questions that were sent to him. In 1638, he founded the first Baptist church in America in uncolonized Rhode Island. People who think that sexual abuse and its systematic cover-up is something that happens only in Roman Catholic Churches ought to read this devastating series in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, about how the same thing has been happening in a national network of independent fundamental Baptist churches. Subscribe for as little as $5/mo to start commenting on Rods blog. They try to control people and do evangelize. You can email Bruce via the Contact Form. Many say baptism is required for salvation and I have been pushed to do so. That was weak (cupping ear)..congregation: AMEN (at top of lungs). And when you cant question your leaders, weve seen it in politics, you know what happens. Like the millions of others around the country who need to read these stories, they wont be able to unless they subscribe to a newspaper hundreds of miles from where they live. Thou can sleep at 11 on Monday night; everyone knows sleep is for fags & queers, not real men. This is 100% the independent Baptist school I attended. My religious upbringing was pretty bizarre, but this stuff? Women not wearing pants, women not working, women being not allowed to speak up in church, have any sort of leadership role, etc. The Star-Telegram included in its count churches where alleged abusers had served before or after alleged abuse occurred because the allegations could affect the congregants. This is the Christianity of millions of North Americans. * Maybe some can relate to this cartoon from NAKEDPASTOR. sigh Do you realize how offensive your words are to unbelievers; people who struggled and agonized over leaving Christianity? Prove that you are bigger, tougher, more patiently enduring and are unmoved by his wailing. The Star-Telegram counted 187 independent fundamental Baptist churches and affiliated institutions that had been affected by sexual abuse allegations. But they also have a high regard for the Bible. Dr. R has some real practical theology problems. Bruce Gerencser, 65, lives in rural Northwest Ohio with his wife of 44 years. Sorted by: 1. The investigation is ongoing. See her report here: Hundreds Accuse Independent Baptist Pastors of Abuse.. Excerpt: Stories like that display a Roman Catholic problem, right? Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. Thou shalt not look at pornography, and if thou dost thou shalt delete thy browsing history so thy wife of thy youth dost not find it, and thou shalt confess thy sins at the alter on Sunday morning.Thou canst repeat this cycle each week for the lord hast made provision for modern man if he dost confess his sins before god each day and every Sunday. NIFB Is A Cult | The NIFB Will Not Be Tolerated. I remember one of the missionary wives who was married to the man who used to be a division leader in the bus ministry at hac and fbc and I always thought she looked and dressed so incredibly homely, almost as if she walked straight out of Little House on the Prairie set. I had the pleasure of hearing Dr. Roberson, a couple of times, when I was in College! The New IFB is an attempt to revive the former glory and orthodoxy of the Independent Fundamental Baptists, a movement that arose in the mid-20 th century in reaction to fears that mainstream. Memo to Kathy: fuck off. Thou shalt not ever drink alcohol, unless its done in secret and confessed as sin on Sunday. You were right; they were wrong; and no sane person in the world would say otherwise. I vaguely recognize some of the standards that you mentioned, but not to the extreme that you have described them. Grace alone. Or their kids just went to Rutgers, but with the assurance that they would be faithful members of a Campus Crusade chapter there. So men cant have facial hair but women can? True Independent Fundamental Baptist Churches uphold the purest teachings of the early church as revealed in the New Testament." . I really want to write a book or start a podcast about all this shit at some point. Image Conscious Ugh. The short answer is that going to the movies supported Hollywood. And they used the best of who you are, and the best of what you have to give, to feed those lies. Answer (1 of 7): >> Why are Baptist Churches so legalistic? The items you are questioning are not the "doctrine" of independent fundamental Baptists. She then administers [to a three-year-old] about ten slow, patient licks on his bare legs. Although I did finally deconvert I resent the years I lost trying to live under these ridiculous guidelines. The Lordship controversy and misrepresenting the Lordship preachers. Please read the commenting rules before commenting. Way over the edge. Okay I'd like to say I am a fundamental Baptist and I am attending a local Baptist church, yes that's the name of this site. Every Evangelical sect/church/pastor/evangelist/missionary/congregant has their own rules they think are Biblical. You just dont like this particular list of rules because they run counter to your Biblical list. Shellnut is also helpful in clarifying just who these independent fundamentalist Baptists are: Around 2.5 percent of Americans identify as independent Baptists, according to thePew Research Center more than belong to the Assemblies of God, Churches of Christ, or Episcopal and Anglican churches. New IFB Beliefs. And may you recognize your error while there is still time. Enforcing King James only-ism down the throats in some of their groups. Can LGBTQ people join your church, teach Sunday school, preach? Contributors control their own work and posted freely to our site. You have found True Christianity. Bruce pastored Evangelical churches for twenty-five years in Ohio, Texas, and Michigan. Ernest Willis found guilty of raping teen Tina Anderson, a fellow church member. I am far from perfect. The submissiveness of women to their husbands can be found here which is not only present in churches, this is a cultural phenomenon which also impacts the faith. For this reason IFB churches vigorously renounce the idea that IFB constitutes a denomination: each church, they hold, is a kingdom unto itself and obliged to cooperate with exactly no other church body, IFB or otherwise. I grew up in a similar church. You loved when you had no more love to give. Jesus gives his own list in the Sermon on the Mount and Matthew 24/25. Meant to be taken literally, the KJV is inspired, inerrant, infallible, and the supreme and final authority in all things. He may not be able to sleep, but he can be trained to lie there quietly. He is the man of God who speaks for God. Hope you have a good day. You did what you were supposed to do: you sacrificed yourself. Thou shalt wear the sweatshirts & caps of your favorite basketball team; they are only evil & worldly if you choose to go to college there. Get tough. And not to tell anyone. You cant question your leaders, Hardy said. (3) Megachurch leaders face the ordinary temptations but also extraordinary pressure to cover up problems, knowing that a sniff of scandal will summon packs of critical reporters. Spending TOO MUCH time with conspiracy theories than fundamental Bible preaching. Scripture alone. I was recently asked to write a few words of support and love for the members of two Facebook groups, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Cult Survivors and Do Right Hyles-Anderson. Can same-sex couples be married in your church? You have left them now to themselves, and stepped into your own world. You ought to repent of this attitude and behavior while you are yet alive and repair your relationship with a God who undoubtedly still loves you, and stop taking an active hand in encouraging others to sin against a Holy God and ensuring their damnation.